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The Divorce Survival Guide Podcast


Jul 20, 2023

Every so often, I meet someone in my field with whom I hit it off amazingly. This week’s guest, Tony Overbay, is an example of when that happens. Tony joins me to discuss emotional immaturity, narcissism, and raising your emotional baseline. 

Tony is a licensed marriage and family therapist, certified mindful habit coach, writer, speaker, husband, father of 4, and Host of the award-winning podcast “The Virtual Couch” and another chart-topping podcast “Waking up To Narcissism.” He has spoken to audiences worldwide about marriage, parenting, navigating a faith crisis, anxiety, depression, ADHD, narcissism, and emotional immaturity.  I am certain this conversation is just the first of many. I hope you enjoy this week’s episode! 

Featured topics include:

  • The difference between emotional immaturity and narcissism (2:48)

  • A framework to help someone with emotional immaturity or narcissistic traits (20:35)

  • Your emotional baseline: When your baseline of emotions is low, you can't reach the tools you need to interact with the world, so raising your emotional baseline could help you get traction to use the tools you’ve learned (34:05)

  • Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) (44:23)

Learn more about Tony Overbay:

Tony Overbay is a licensed marriage and family therapist, speaker, author, and podcast host. Tony spent ten years working in the software industry before returning to school in his early 30s to get his master's in counseling, and he has been working as a therapist for the past 18 years. Tony’s first book, “He’s A Porn Addict, Now What? An Expert and a Former Addict Answer Your Questions,” has been a best-seller in the Sexual Health and Recovery category since its December 2019 debut. Tony recently released the “Magnetic Marriage” couples communication course and is the creator of The Path Back, an online pornography recovery program that has helped hundreds of individuals turn away from using pornography as a coping mechanism. Tony released the award-winning “The Virtual Couch” podcast in August of 2017, and he has over 350 episodes and 5 million downloads and counting. Tony launched “Waking Up to Narcissism” in October of 2021, and it has regularly found its way into the top 50 podcasts in the “Mental Health” category on the Apple Podcast charts. Tony’s latest podcast venture is an enhanced audio podcast of his best-selling book “He’s a Porn Addict,” with his co-author, Joshua Shea, joining him as co-host.  

Tony has spoken to audiences worldwide on topics ranging from marriage, parenting, navigating a faith crisis, anxiety, depression, ADHD, narcissism, and emotional immaturity. Tony has testified in several court cases on narcissism. He is currently working on two books, one on his “Emotional Baseline” theory and one on navigating a relationship with a narcissist/emotionally immature person in one's life. 

Tony has been married to his high school sweetheart for 32 years, and he has four adult children, ages 18, 20, 22, and 24. Tony is an avid runner, and he has completed over 150 marathons and ultramarathons, including over a dozen races of 100 miles or more. You can find out more about Tony at http://tonyoverbay.com.  

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